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High Centurion · Apr 21, 2008, 10:40 PM // 22:40

Im very sorry if someone already asked this in anoter thread. But would a War need to bring self heal if he's playing with a Pug or H&H?

Thank You

ogre_jd · Apr 21, 2008, 10:50 PM // 22:50

"Need"? Not really. Always take a Monk Hero and/or Henchman when you can. But if you want to take a self-heal, go ahead - I know I can remember a lot of times when it would've come in handy. More likely what you'll want is condition removal - nothing like being Blind, Weakened and Crippled in the middle of a melee.

I pwnd U · Apr 21, 2008, 11:01 PM // 23:01

Warriors do not need self heals while pugging or H/H. When I play on my war I never take a self heal. I don't need it as my heroes still heal me. It is just a waste of a spot imo to bring a self heal for a warrior in PvE while Pugginig or H/H.

Shayne Hawke · Apr 21, 2008, 11:03 PM // 23:03

PuG? Probably. I wouldn't count on everyone else to save my life.

H/H? Not if you have good healers.

nebuchanezzar · Apr 21, 2008, 11:22 PM // 23:22

That depends upon opinion.
Ideally, no. Let healers heal. Let wars kill.
Realistically, especially in pugs..prudence may dictate a self-heal. Just don't use Heal Sig next to that vicious ele boss in HM....

Stormlord Alex · Apr 21, 2008, 11:28 PM // 23:28

I'd take Lion's Comfort/Healsig if you're with a PuG or are trying out a new H/H team build.

for the PuG, it's because they more than likely aren't particularly good and you might want that safety blanket when Breeze/Orison monks just aren't cutting it.

For the H/H - it's an indicator. If I put healsig on my bar and actually find myself wanting to use it, then there's something to be worked on with the team's build so that I no longer find the need for a self-heal.

For organized PvP, friend/guildie groups and tried-and-tested H/H teams, a self-heal is utterly useless.

Div · Apr 21, 2008, 11:29 PM // 23:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stormlord Alex

I'd take Lion's Comfort/Healsig if you're with a PuG or are trying out a new H/H team build.

Or natural healing.

But this sums it up:

Quote:

For organized PvP, friend/guildie groups and tried-and-tested H/H teams, a self-heal is utterly useless.

Trvth Jvstice · Apr 21, 2008, 11:37 PM // 23:37

I believe if you can keep [[Save Yourselves!" (Luxon)] up during the difficult parts of the Mission/Quest, the PUG monks will probably be able to concentrate on healing you - even bad monks. The way I use it is, I attack normally and keep an eye on the red bars, when I see them starting to drop, I hit SY every time it charges. With this wonderful skill, you can keep a team alive often in an over aggrod mob and two Healing Breeze. Orison of Healing, Heal Other monks

EDIT: Of course this same horrible group will probably wonder "Wtf! Why is the stupid Wammo taking so much dmg!" And you'll get kicked after the Mission is over. lol

AOTT · Apr 21, 2008, 11:57 PM // 23:57

If you're going Strength, bring Lion's Comfort.
If you're going Tactics, bring Healing Signet.

Unless, of course, you're a W/Mo, then there's a bunch of other options.

I NEVER trust a healer, human or hero. That's just the way it is.
Human: "let's get halfway in and go AFK in the middle of a fight!"
Hero: "minion or player minion or player HEAL THE MINION!"

High Centurion · Apr 22, 2008, 12:22 AM // 00:22

k thx guys for the info, ill just see depending on the party

moriz · Apr 22, 2008, 12:23 AM // 00:23

maybe because the minion is more valuable than you? *hinthint*

GaaaaaH · Apr 22, 2008, 12:26 AM // 00:26

Prot Spirit the minion!

But really, if you find yourself dying or want to ce careful, bring a heal

kazjun · Apr 22, 2008, 12:48 AM // 00:48

Trust Mhenlo. If WoH can't keep you alive, you're doing something wrong.

ogre_jd · Apr 22, 2008, 01:20 AM // 01:20

Mhenlo's a blithering idiot. He might have the best skill set of the henchthing healers, but when the H/H's start dying, I find that he's almost always first. Really gotta start adding [[Ebon Escape] to my W/R's bar - it'd certainly help when Mhenlo or another one of my squishies is getting pounded on. (the teleportation portion - the healing'd just be a minor bonus)

Konig Des Todes · Apr 22, 2008, 01:24 AM // 01:24

I say always bring at least 1 self-heal, I never trust anyone with healing me 100%, thats the main reason why I hate Ursan even. It is up to you, but I say for pugs, ALWAYS bring a self-heal, if with people you know are good at monking and/or h/h not that much of a self heal.

horseradish · Apr 22, 2008, 01:30 AM // 01:30

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Originally Posted by AOTT

Unless, of course, you're a W/Mo, then there's a bunch of other options.

Yes, healing breeze is leet on warriors. -__-

Crom The Pale · Apr 22, 2008, 02:08 AM // 02:08

Generally I find in a PuG you need at least [lions comfort] just to cover your self when the Monks are kiting and your getting low or when other team mates are taking too much damage and the monks ignore you.

If your H/H you shouldn't need it since you can easily force a needed heal from a Hero as you require it.

Jam Jar · Apr 22, 2008, 03:17 AM // 03:17

Well, usually your monks can sustain you pretty well. However, running frenzy is sometimes dangerous, so a self heal might be helpful.

Trvth Jvstice · Apr 22, 2008, 03:19 AM // 03:19

I blindly trust the pug to have at least have mediocre healers. Usually with my gentle nudges and ample application of SY, my group will make it through. This doesn't count the groups with smite monks masquerading as heal monks, fire storm warriors, etc - Talking about normal PUGs here.

As bad as many PUGs are, I still can't bring myself to replace one of my DSlash skills with a self heal. Save Yourselves! works well enough in most situations.

**Marty Silverblade** · Apr 22, 2008, 08:48 AM // 08:48

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Originally Posted by Crom The Pale

in a PuG ... when the Monks are kiting

lol wut? Doesn't happen.

Generally: PuGs tend to suck, so take something to keep your bar up in the rough spots. In well put together teams like H/H (assuming a good player), guild groups, friends, etc, you won't really need one because you'll work together better and you'll just do better.